We should not have done a podcast this week in hindsight. Operating on little sleep, Colby and Nick discuss the Arizona Coyotes new arena deal, NHL Olympic participation, the Carolina Hurricanes organization woes and more. Next week is a week off for the Down the Frozen River Podcast, so look forward to actually having to talk to your relatives on Thanksgiving instead of listening to us.
Tag: Bring Back the Nordiques
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A few Monday afternoon thoughts
By: Nick Lanciani
In light of the Florida Panthers new look, Peter Karmanos Jr.’s latest debacle and all the expansion talk, I’m here to try to put a few thoughts on the same page.
Some thoughts on Florida’s rebrand…
First, there’s the Florida Panthers rebrand. Am I allowed to say the new logo is growing on me? The answer to that rhetorical question is obviously yes, because this is my site, but also because it’s the truth. Look, I’m not obsessed with the new look for the Panthers, but I can respect this shield design as a new, modern, hockey crest. It’s clean and respectful of the organization’s history, now over 20 years old, and really ties itself into the Southern Florida sports scene. While it might look better as a third jersey logo— at least when you put it on their new home sweater, which, by the way has a bit too much going on for my liking— it was time for a change in Sunrise.
Give it a few years and I’m sure the Panthers will figure out how to tweak things to satisfy their entire fanbase, while honoring the 101st Airborne in their humble homage with their fresh look.
Bottom line, not everyone can be like the Dallas Stars latest rebrand a few seasons ago. I mean, just look at the Carolina Hurricanes. They redesigned their image the same offseason as the Stars and, well, it just hasn’t caught on as much as anyone had hoped in the hockey world. While another rebrand would certainly help, the Hurricanes have much bigger issues on their plate, whether anyone’s willing to admit them or not. Which brings me to my second point…
…on Carolina chaos…
(How’s that for a transition?)
Carolina owner, Peter Karmanos Jr., the man responsible for moving the Hartford Whalers back in 1997, has been looking for a dancing partner for a couple of years now to help cover the costs of owning and operating the Hurricanes, albeit while retaining all the power and control that he brought with the Whalers to Raleigh as an odd precondition.
But now it appears as though the focus of that dancing partner might now be in the form of a lawyer, as Karmanos deals with a little over $105 million lawsuit from three of his sons.
Without getting into too much detail, this should be raising red flags (not the hurricane warning kind) despite whatever anyone from the league or Hurricanes organization says. We’ve known for a few seasons now that Carolina is in shambles when it comes to attendance and likewise, that the franchise is not as financially stable at its foundation as the NHL would hope.
Karmanos continues to insist that there is no need to relocate the franchise to a more desirable location (at least from a fanbase perspective), such as Québec City or Las Vegas.
There’s no better chance than now for Karmanos to make a move, whatever that may be, but as the legal battles within his family play out, he might be forced to sell the franchise to an owner in a potential expansion location and get the organization out of Carolina, if there continues to be no immense local interest among potential owners.
What the NHL won’t tell you, and I’m sure, is that they really don’t want to have another Phoenix Coyotes disaster circa 2009. You know, the one with bankruptcy, lawsuits, the league eventually owning the team, Wayne Gretzky as a coach (wait that had nothing to do with it), and that Canadian millionaire that wanted to move them to Hamilton, Ontario?
But alas, my third thought, we’re more than likely on the verge of expansion in the NHL. Like it or not.
…and finally, on expansion.
Las Vegas may surely be coming in the next couple of seasons, but what might be more intriguing is the thought that no news might be good news for Québec City.
Of course, there’s a few holdups with a team potentially venturing to Vidéotron Centre that’s not just a preseason matchup between the Boston Bruins and the Montréal Canadiens next season.
The struggle of the Canadian dollar could scamper the hopes of Nordiques fans once again and the ongoing Carolina catastrophe could scatter current expansion plans. But then again, who knows what relocation talks might be circulating and/or among whom (if any).
What’s next for the league is to decide once and for all whether to delay expansion, accept one or both expansion bids, or nullify any chance of expansion at this time. That announcement is expected June 22nd, conveniently at the NHL’s annual Awards Ceremony in where else? Las Vegas.
Basically, it’s a yes, no, maybe scenario.
While some, like Brian Mulroney, are adamant that the league will look over Québec this time around for expansion, others in the rumor mill are more hopeful that as long as everyone’s distracted with the squabble about a team in the Sin City, then there’s a good chance we’ll see a return of the Québec Nordiques as a delightful surprise.
The league is more than ready to make a go at both locations, regardless of conference alignment atrocities in the eyes of some fans. But your conference woes might see some ease if the Hurricanes situation yields a relocation resolution. And maybe that is the reason, after all, that there’s not much chatter out of Québec on the state of their expansion plans.
A relocation fee is certainly less expensive than a $500 million expansion fee. And since Quebecor is more than willing to dish out $500 million U.S. for an NHL team that would generate all of its revenue in Canadian dollars, then there’s a good chance they could easily find the funds to come up with purchasing and relocating Carolina.
The only issue would be getting Peter Karmanos out of the picture.
That’s no easy feat, as exhibited by the Whalers forceful removal from Hartford and Karmanos’s dedication to Raleigh, which, although hasn’t been tremendous in growing the sport in the community (i.e. building rinks in North Carolina), nor providing the franchise with an adequate practice facility, has certainly been enough to keep the team around this long and with a 2006 Stanley Cup championship at hand.
That was ten years ago. This is now.
Whatever announcement is forthcoming on June 22nd, whether it’s no expansion at this time, yes to expansion or further delaying the thought of expansion, it appears as though the league is more than ready to make a go at both locations. Las Vegas for the first time, Québec City for a homecoming of the sorts.
So while you’re worried about which of your favorite players might get poached by an expansion draft in a year or two, this offseason is sure to have more to it than first expected, as always. And there’s plenty of hurdles to still get over before you can start dreaming about what a team in Las Vegas might look like or seeing what kind of a response the Colorado Avalanche might get in their first regular season game back in Québec.
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Working Overtime, Coach
By: Nick Lanciani
This week I present to you a short post on my thoughts on changing the OT format and the addition of the coach’s challenge, as well as a tidbit on the potential Las Vegas expansion.
Overtime
Shootouts have got to go- at least for the most part, that is. The only shootout scenarios that belong in hockey are penalty shots and the breakaway skills competition (which on another note, the skills competition was a bit stale this year).
I get it, when the Chicago Blackhawks and the Pittsburgh Penguins meet up in a shootout, we’re all in for entertainment. Watching Jonathan Toews, Sidney Crosby, Patrick Kane, and Evgeni Malkin trade shootout goals while Corey Crawford and Marc-Andre Fleury stuff others is highly addictive.
But then we get long shootouts- like the one that went twenty rounds this season between the Florida Panthers and the Washington Capitals before Nick Bjugstad sent everyone home with his second attempt of the shootout, or basically every shootout the Boston Bruins have been in this season.
Please NHL, make it stop.
I’m all in favor of adopting the AHL’s overtime format that they began using this season. Overtime is seven minutes long, split between three minutes of 4 on 4 hockey and four minutes of 3 on 3 action (of course, the change between 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 isn’t technically done until the first whistle after three minutes of overtime).
If nobody scores in overtime, then the game heads to a shootout.
Personally, I’m a fan of simplifying an adaption of the AHL’s current overtime format and having ten minutes of sudden death overtime (5 minutes of 4 on 4, stop, switch sides, 5 minutes of 3 on 3). My format would eliminate the absurdity surrounding when teams make the switch from 4 on 4 to 3 on 3 and keeps the initial swapping of sides from the 3rd period to the beginning of the 4 on 4 overtime (and adds another swapping of sides between 4 on 4 and 3 on 3).
Ultimately, whatever reduces the number of overtime games that end up going to a shootout to about 5% (the equivalent of the actual effects of the AHL’s current overtime policy) is good enough for me. The league doesn’t completely throw out shootouts, but doesn’t have to rely on them more than necessary.
Coach’s Challenge
Another topic for consideration next season is the coach’s challenge. While this new addition would make sense for the league, it is nothing more than a procedural show that would slow the pace of the game way down.
I’d vouch for something similar to college hockey- simply making offsides, goaltender interference, and delay of game penalties reviewable. You’re probably saying, “but that’ll just slow the game down anyway” and you’re right. But this would take away the extra formalities of making the ref have to listen to what the coach is challenging, why he’s arguing, and so on an so forth.
Essentially, it’d streamline the decisions similar to how the refs and linesmen already confer when there’s a situation they can presently discuss amongst themselves (goals on the ice before they’re reviewed, delay of game penalties, and whatnot). Most of the time, if something needs to be reviewed, it gets reviewed. If not, then some off ice official steps in and makes the on ice officials take a look at it again (under video review).
Look, the coach’s challenge is just a way to drum up business, whereas simply making the plays in question (goalie interference, delay of game, and offsides) reviewable eliminates intentional stalling by a coach challenging the play at hand and ensures that for a call on the ice to be overturned or confirmed, conclusive evidence must determine the right way of the call.
As was seen in the Hockey East Championship this year, the refs went to video review for a play that was deemed a goal on the ice, but awfully close to being offsides. Video conclusively showed that the Boston University forward entering the zone was, in fact, just barely offsides, overruling the call on the ice and reverting the score from being 2-0 to 1-0 in the first period.
The entire process didn’t take longer than any current reviewable play in the NHL. So at the end of the day, if college hockey can make something look easy, then the NHL should be able to implement it seamlessly, right?
And after all, aren’t the purpose of the minor leagues, college hockey, and the junior leagues simply a testing ground for not only who teams draft and develop, but also the development of the game and subsequent rules of the game ultimately in the major league (the NHL)? If not, then- well, come on people…
This Week’s One Liner- VEGAS BABY!
Look, if the National Hockey League is sold on the results of the feasibility of an NHL franchise in Las Vegas, then fine- build an arena of about 15,000 and see how long it lasts- otherwise, if you’re looking to add to the Western Conference before adding to the Eastern Conference, for God’s sake Seattle is dying to get a team. Oh and so are Quebec City and Hartford, but you know… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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New Year, New Beginnings (or Revivals)- Part 6 Vive Les Nordiques
As the dawn of the New Year begins to fade, I conclude the exploration of the possibilities of relocation and expansion. In this excessively informal post, I’ve taken a look at what some of the best concept jerseys are for a team that needs to be revived! In each case, I’ve looked at numerous designs, courtesy of Icethetics.co and the forums over at Chris Creamer’s Sportslogos.net, and highlighted the ones that I would pick if I were the owner of a new franchise looking to establish its identity.
QUEBEC NORDIQUES
Quebec City, once a city that was the northern most city in all North American professional sports, gracefully became widely known as a great hockey market with it’s WHA’s presence that then turned more mainstream in it’s welcoming into the NHL. Hartford Whalers and Quebec Nordiques paraphernalia continue to be top selling merchandise among hockey fans, despite the fact that both teams have long since relocated to their current markets in North Carolina and Colorado, respectively.
If I were going to be the owner of a new inception of the Quebec Nordiques, I would emulate a move by the current Winnipeg Jets in that I would design a new logo and a new set of uniforms, effectively replacing the old franchise. I would instead seek a design that incorporates the old franchise and even incorporates Quebec City’s history in the NHL, with the Quebec Bulldogs.
With that said, I would also have the hardest time picking the best jerseys out of a long list of concept jerseys. In any case, I’d want the right combination of the traditional, light blue, Quebec Nordiques and a return to the initial darker blue days of the WHA Quebec Nordiques with a modernized logo that better defines the region.
This set of jerseys provides just the right combination of old and new. A logo reminiscent of landmarks of Quebec City, the snowy owl, a symbol of the people of the North, and the timeless fleur-de-lis that was ever so perfectly encompassing of the province of Quebec and its relation to the Quebec Nordiques of yore.
There were a couple of alternate jerseys to consider, the first of which, I’d use for at least a couple of seasons (or simply for an outdoor game). The first alternate jersey combines stylish elements reminiscent of the Quebec Bulldogs era with the original Quebec Nordiques on a slimming, modern jersey design. .
The second fits better with the home and road jerseys and is actually something from the same artist as the home and road sweaters.
With these jerseys in mind as the representation of the franchise, I sorted through these other ones that just didn’t have quite enough of what I was looking for.
First, a look at some of the other designs the winning artist created that just didn’t resonate with me.
Here we have too much of a blend among the colors. Nothing really separates these jerseys out from one another. On the plus side, however, the alternate uniform in this set does look spectacular.
In this design, the artist approaches the right combination of colors, but lacks the ever important fleur-de-lis in the actual jersey (although placing them on the side of the pants is catchy).
Moving on from that artist we have a set that I seriously considered to be the chosen one. However, a bit too bright blue for regular use in the NHL in this day and age, these would probably see time as a specialty or future set of alternates. Heck, a current minor league team should really take this look and run with it.
This jersey has potential as an alternate, but the nameplate font is what ruins its chances in its current form. Remember kids, just say “no” to lowercase letters in a player nameplate unless it is part of their name. Even then, if your font looks better without specialization, then don’t implement specialization. Other than that, I love the number styling of this uniform.
Here’s what you get when you combine the Winnipeg Jets with the Ottawa Senators!
This looks plain and blue. Nice use of the old logo. I appreciate the attempt to modernize a classic, but it just doesn’t work for me. Perhaps a different number stylization would set things in a better tone, instead of something that says “we’re still the Arizona Coyotes, but instead of red we used blue and changed our logos for this set of practice uniforms.”
But hey, at least we’ve moved on from the early days of RBK Edge jerseys, right? Ew. It’s the Quebec Islanders, everyone!
All in all, a classy look is appealing, but in the interest of preserving hockey history, I think it’s best to retire the igloo- no matter how awesome these modernized jerseys might look on the ice.
Especially if you’re teetering on the border of old school Winnipeg Jets territory.
And so ends this chapter of the journey, “New Year, New Beginnings” has officially come to an end. We’ll move forward with new content coming in February, with a look back at reality, more analysis is on the way, created by fans for the fans.
Thank you for enjoying this series, I had a great time delving into everything about it. – NL
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